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FINAL SCORES

1943 phaeton
1943 maccafixx
1943 ItalianGreyhound
1943 bpalosky
1943 VolleymomDee
1943 bookwomen
1943 Book Doctor Gwen
1943 bmb444
1943 LoriP
1943 earth
1943 ursh
1943 anike
1943 bichon
1943 NonoNanette
1943 doseffing
1943 nurse1000
1943 graciecat
1943 rururocks
1943 dart001
1943 gapeach
1943 montreal13
1943 wvteach
1943 ChrissieDee
1943 Sandieangel
1943 sprong
1943 scribekd
1943 10s Gu
1943 reneeo
1943 davurs
1943 dfmchfhf
1943 helenkeller
1943 cameron51us
1943 danf63
1943 Bonasa
1943 Funkylady
1943 mcurlschool
1943 cybernan
1943 pat56
1943 kim m
1943 72 Temple Owl
1943 Grandma Barb
1943 Vioxx
1943 kellyk
1943 Mercy
1943 CiociaJudy
1943 Bremen
1943 mixi6
1943 Dorens
1943 bubba218
1943 pabtrek
1943 nrkii
1943 jimmel
1943 Kateq
1943 dan2bit
1943 lynxxx
1943 ch1212
1943 Habes
1943 Dominp
1943 Kamanjah
1943 Lizlin
1943 VDW
1943 Altagolfnut5
1943 mojo9292
1943 flashman1998
1943 ivesy3
1943 dianedecoder
1943 pcal2
1943 ChampFit
1943 dofith
1943 anus
1943 jzw
1943 Bogwoggle
1943 Tabbycat2
1943 clg47
1943 daylily
1943 pamrepton
1943 stu mcc
1943 Tomago
1943 msr
1943 Solitare
1943 Gillie
1943 glittle
1943 juniperberet
1943 bala
1943 Andee
1943 bojazz
1943 vashongin
1943 joansiebone
1943 sammysmom
1943 rabbasar
1943 LuvWordGames
1943 penquis
1943 BzznBea
1943 chrisk
1943 Catie
1943 parisla
1943 JBV
1943 isles7
1943 NatashaW
1943 dizgrannie
1943 Jayk
1943 wht
1943 svingy
1943 DTins
1943 Bugsaw
1943 welki
1943 zoozzoom
1943 car.eeyore
1943 aslindy
1943 MelJewell
1943 skooj
1943 ZsaZsa
1943 westford
1943 marigold
1943 thesnark
1943 SunnFlower
1943 wordly wise
1943 Mary
1943 CAZ100
1943 Haz1558
1943 speedfreak
1943 java2
1943 sprite
1943 PMS
1943 Wendrie
1943 galliwags
1943 SummerBreeze44
1943 Dippnall
1943 movieman
1943 spellit
1943 gramma
1943 KrisE
1943 uleman
1943 Alicia
1943 broll
1943 Jacula
1943 NANCY
1943 sandy211
1943 mrloser
1943 Chris P
1943 Dianne
1943 Michelle
1943 Vicuna
1943 hokie carla
1943 shorty
1943 lbdawger
1943 dromano66
1943 jessmom
1943 ARB
1943 mo
1943 Sam
1943 Uneaixoise
1943 Aloyisius
1931 periwinkle
1893 grannyrose
1845 ladycece920
1821 suzysuz
1820 Tnarg
1794 Gitel
1792 Christine
1748 angelinaxox
1707 Sev
1685 Elliot
1651 Hillsnow
1638 PastorJ
1626 marksdolly
1625 SamanthaJoy
1613 libarebel
1611 Detour
1573 mael
1551 smartemis
1519 MumTT
1512 bigbirdboss
1509 hoyamd
1484 RoseAnn
1481 foamflower
1479 guernseygirl
1475 Kallia
1468 lbuxx
1467 epsurreal
1461 leen
1458 magpie7
1457 ABJ
1454 jocularity
1431 broony
1427 hurshy
1423 Naches girl
1419 Babbleybrook
1415 marilyn992
1406 BettyAnne
1406 georgiaj
1406 gemini_J13
1403 Rangerbill
1402 rbud
1393 flosey
1391 GailMkp
1382 Filomena
1378 MollyL
1373 A*n*i*t*a
1371 katmayo
1354 Riverdance
1349 torgone
1340 rastapopolous
1339 Sunrise
1335 Wogoe
1319 asterisk
1315 eliotl
1306 jaydee
1280 Deeha
1278 REG
1273 BerniceQ
1258 hmgames
1255 Chessy
1255 mom99
1253 cdnldy
1247 phandmd
1245 corkee
1242 Lindrickway
1230 pilgrim719
1213 Robespierre
1213 GeekMan
1208 markytom
1207 JaxH66
1207 rubyfoo
1200 Inge2
1198 Hebe
1191 cavalier25
1189 idicyidikat
1189 sedmac
1189 sciencegeek
1186 BarbaraA
1185 dc43
1184 amelu0218
1184 mrpeanut
1183 m9f9l
1182 therealblah
1180 sally
1176 mightyquin
1175 tsatch
1160 SeaSpray
1156 Turt
1143 Soodle
1139 smartalic
1133 Tulipp
1129 Jadee
1129 Quiltergirl
1127 inkydinks
1121 Zadit
1121 jitesh
1121 rosalie4
1120 kantplay
1119 bonkler
1116 gingentle
1107 Madyh
1107 TQ
1105 yikeym32
1104 sugar
1102 KenTropic
1101 SueMagee
1099 superflippy
1099 Carol
1098 MomStar
1094 Kermiteer
1092 pigeonman
1088 maggiej
1088 Rainiqui
1086 mirandlyn
1085 Sugrraleona
1085 BLouie
1084 Gollux
1078 hydra
1075 suz01
1069 lawdoggy1
1067 SuzeQ
1058 godthaab
1055 irishlady
1052 mkg
1047 yubi
1046 JeeWhiz
1043 sillybunny84
1042 Angela
1041 milly24
1036 Merp
1030 Ouwachita
1027 wjb
1025 silversarah
1022 annecarmen
1019 Wolvie
1019 Brie11
1015 kathy sue
1011 Talia
1010 tceicher
1009 susanj2
1007 katiemac
1006 mattygroves
1002 redletter
996 MsCorvid
991 tmtm
990 Hightower2232
987 jeanne314
985 icywords
984 pugmama763
983 Biltong
983 hyacinthe
982 ashtangini
981 bheron
980 poodletoes
977 duvaldfm
972 uconn
967 Bobie
967 swmbo
966 xeiluj
963 gardnerpaints
962 LonnieC
960 jpc1966
959 lexophile
957 Marian Todd
957 poor richard
956 JW4975
952 deanoz
952 donnana
951 MRSWHISKI2
950 fyodorist
946 Read-Knit-Bake
944 MLFAN17
938 sajarn
937 avril
937 cg530
936 pors
934 JIMMORRIS
929 tessagram
928 mummy
924 rsiegel24
922 little mim
920 The_Mad_Egyptian
920 Roses6
915 aaronsmom
911 rhozee
902 lpeebles
901 funhs
900 lil*monkey
899 mayneman
895 cheeto44
894 Sam Snead
893 Maryphyl
891 aWolf
891 cookiepelli
885 pam
885 saphyre
882 MaddyMadd
880 Alisonofwi
878 Aaronitor
876 kittychan
875 Snowman31888
865 Snitkina
864 Pearl5
863 Motek
862 jwr
853 gladius
851 trentsnana
850 Angelsong
846 MonicaYT
845 Doll414
844 Pillsy74
843 Jodeen
843 angels04
842 Calllie
842 skheiny
840 EmaMaria
840 circqueen
839 chj
838 Kitensplay
833 ella
830 bookworm100
828 Buggie
827 Alleyn58
825 eljay323
824 tickymong
823 Cennon
822 pianoman
822 zippee
821 eieios
813 angeli
813 diann
811 redshoes
803 Dog Fan
801 Bethjt
798 ginnie
797 8201girl
795 hep
792 laurielou
789 Scrabbler
789 Rachway
787 helensgirlkid
784 Frances
783 markbowers7
782 Leaf
782 melody17
781 hogg
781 Buttonman
780 dcseain
763 piggys_rule123
759 PappouTed
758 mike19
750 robwhy
749 AnnetteL
737 ironpete
735 annevans
732 machelle
729 JJ
725 slothboy
722 Oboequilter
715 smooze
714 craftylady
709 pjd
706 xena
700 bloosh2
696 vdddvddd
692 Gabby65
687 Playwoman
687 words
686 noki
683 PherceNunly
678 woodchick
675 mehdc
674 charliesmomuk
672 RoundBarn
671 contrary1
669 Teulu
668 emusing
666 Zombee
665 rkptbound
664 scorpio
664 KayteeJay
663 shdybr8
660 Glens
658 raane
656 ypsigirl
655 ann
654 jka
652 EnigmaNeko
651 Sidra
648 Q
647 freddie
645 Strudtastic
644 Trifioso
642 mama
640 Jeff7
639 cookiebaker
638 scarydeb
636 rowlie45
632 Rearden
628 franciscrawford
628 gdine
621 bethanyej
615 tinkerbelle
615 PenguinP
614 Chessbobble225
613 Elle n
612 wildcat17
611 fuzzybunny
606 danceparty
600 bethn
595 Thulsa
594 nursegladys
593 jennyc
587 gswope
583 lara68
581 Marjetta
581 piano player
578 corpsvalue
577 flower65
574 MVA
570 ellenin
569 Jerrybh81
568 jrr
567 Kukana
562 wesnurse
559 crayola
557 marie
557 DRWED
547 benji5550122
547 msg
546 Coolcar
540 AnnSueBobCatTail
535 blueskies29
534 wenren
528 dpomfr
526 peter366
516 melkaywil
510 worzel
507 Valiant
501 CMcG
495 efor1124
490 Monnie
485 Alycia
483 Creeta
480 BeckyG
475 haggis
469 mabaker8
468 bookgrrl
467 lawyer-1
466 akazev
465 momof4&pe
459 Reese\'s
445 mom23
441 jbp
435 MPittore
434 bookwyrmish
433 Virginia Strout
433 DS927
430 lazykoala99
429 kueenbee
424 ALC
423 PJDR
420 Roman Ballerina
401 Luluskidoo
389 odessa
389 cks
385 nadav
382 pbc
374 KnightTime
373 pen...
370 potterylady
367 Chipster
365 iluvtigs
365 Jindigo
353 mbesh
343 amgreet8
340 nilole
338 Cube
335 scatterbrain
331 Plebian
321 GrandmaS
321 athena
320 janeybird
313 #1
304 sallyann
303 fla
299 moule
296 !!!
292 galew
288 fit1
285 Lady_Campari
277 helmet
276 VAjeweler
272 ls1
269 daisy88
243 egbokmom2000@yah
236 mom82637
224 ajsb
221 chixnlegs53
220 circe
217 Rel
215 PeggySue
187 Hockeyfan
184 Prinise
180 tracyo
170 caps
120 Gramjane
108 Kotah
100 kangabrat
69 Barb
62 emd99
61 selj09
55 Aescleah
32 Sundaegrl
30 Gretel 500

ENTIRE CHAT LOG

12:01 am
Rainiqui

fi 7
12:03 am
sajarn

am8
12:03 am
jessmom

un8
12:03 am
SamanthaJoy

Mo7
12:03 am
cookiebaker

fi to stare
12:04 am
dizgrannie

Samantha x 3
12:04 am
dizgrannie

sorry x 2
12:05 am
SamanthaJoy

Da7
12:09 am
dizgrannie

am 8
12:09 am
SamanthaJoy

A second?
12:10 am
dizgrannie

oopsie, didn't see it called, sorry
12:11 am
SamanthaJoy

No problem, just clarifying
12:20 am
licketySplitAUS

Clues are up
12:24 am
dizgrannie

nbt/nbs
12:32 am
Christine

Thank you, Lickety.
12:40 am
jessmom

cu8
12:54 am
sprite

good morning all
12:55 am
sprite

good morning all
12:57 am
sprite

sorry, chat froze
12:59 am
dizgrannie

FWs, last word si 5/22
12:59 am
sprite

wtg dizzie!
1:00 am
dizgrannie

ty
1:11 am
sprite

DST has started here. Am glad it will be one of the final times... in 2021 it will be over and done with changing clocks every 6 months. Praise be.
1:13 am
Lizlin

Hi all and hugs Sprite.
1:14 am
Lizlin

Wow! I couldn't disagree more! I wish we had DST here. I hate that it's never light much after 7 pm here!
1:14 am
sprite

*hugs Liz* Hello dear one! I hope you and your beloved are doing well, though no doubt busy.
1:15 am
Lizlin

There is DST in other parts of Aus - in fact in Lickety's area the clocks change this coming weekend.
1:15 am
Lizlin

Yes we're pretty busy.
1:15 am
sprite

it takes weeks for my system to adapt to another rhythm. I am physically ill for about 10 days in Spring. So it is not for me.
1:16 am
Lizlin

I understand that but still - what I'd give for more daylight hours!
1:16 am
sprite

must be confusing, to have different rules all over Australia. You have a number of timezones even without it, I believe.
1:17 am
Lizlin

Yes 3 or 4 time zones, i think and then a couple of states, like where I am, where we don't change our clocks and so we get out of kilter with everyone. So right now, it's after 5pm where Rose is, but after 4 here but on Sunday our times will be the same!
1:17 am
sprite

I guess it is the price you pay for your slice of paradise... no long evenings.
1:18 am
Lizlin

There's one state - south Australia, which is 30 minutes different from its neighbouring states.
1:18 am
sprite

lol, it is as confusing as Europe, but then in one country!
1:19 am
Lizlin

I put up with it but love being in Europe for long summer evenings but don't miss those days of driving to and from work in the dark.
1:20 am
sprite

I hear ya. I like the long evenings as well, though they are long enough without changing clocks for me. Lots of dark days here though, the climate is not too great
1:20 am
Lizlin

So, hopefully your cast comes off today.
1:21 am
Lizlin

That'll make such a big difference for you.
1:21 am
sprite

yes! A few hours left... 11 am I will be in the hospital. Fingers crossed!
1:21 am
Lizlin

Will be thinking of you.
1:22 am
sprite

thank you!
1:22 am
Lizlin

Just found Diz's si 5/22. Not a word I knew before bot her count helped.
1:23 am
sprite

I don't have it yet, but am looking
1:23 am
sprite

ah, there it is. Must look up the def.
1:24 am
sprite

interesting. I knew other words from that series, but not this one.
1:24 am
Lizlin

OK - good luck later on today. I'll catch you again soon. Hugs.
1:26 am
sprite

thank you again! *hugs* and good luck with all the organising stuff.
1:36 am
sprite

phantom: maneater
1:42 am
sprite

fireflies. To you all, a blessed day and a peaceful night.
*leaves hug in chog for rose to find*
4:49 am
Book Doctor Gwen

hi all, fw, bye all, enjoy the grid!
8:44 am
MLFAN17

hello
8:45 am
Aloyisius

hi MLF, thought the chog was broken
8:45 am
MLFAN17

alloy apparently no one has been talking since before 5am
8:47 am
Aloyisius

unusual ! brb, someone drank my coffee.. only 5 more to find - grid seems to be a quick one today
8:47 am
MLFAN17

I just started so nonbt or nbs for me yet
8:49 am
MLFAN17

4th column N above the m?
8:50 am
BzznBea

no4/5
8:50 am
MLFAN17

hi bzz ty
8:52 am
BzznBea

yw
8:52 am
MLFAN17

nbt/nbs
9:05 am
Aloyisius

fw, fun grid today! Will leave you with my favorite newbie, cu8 = the front part of a ship's prow and my favorite twisty word, ma7 = a loose cloak. Must scoot , so Happy Babbling - see ya next time!
9:07 am
MLFAN17

mantles isn't in the grid?
9:07 am
BzznBea

no L
9:07 am
MLFAN17

exactly:)
9:09 am
MLFAN17

that clue makes no sense to me
9:09 am
BzznBea

ma7 is a type of cloak worn by women
9:11 am
bichon

ty Alloy
9:12 am
MLFAN17

ty bzz still looking but gtg for now bye
9:15 am
marksdolly

I found the ma6 for a cloak, but the ma7 I'm not seeing
9:16 am
BzznBea

same first four letters then three vowels
9:19 am
marksdolly

ooohh got it ty Bzz
9:19 am
marksdolly

new one on me
9:20 am
doseffing

... it's the french word for a heavy coat
9:20 am
BzznBea

yw
9:21 am
marksdolly

well then I ve learned something new lol
9:22 am
BzznBea

Any clues before I leave?
9:24 am
BzznBea

bzz...
9:24 am
MollyL

cu8 is a liquor and canned cocktail distributor in California. I guess the non-drinkers would be unaware of that. It takes it's name from the nautical term.
9:35 am
MLFAN17

ty dose
9:45 am
rururocks

i have am8 and cu 8 stats on the last 8?
9:45 am
doseffing

un 8/50
9:47 am
rururocks

thank you got it
9:47 am
doseffing

... any time
9:51 am
cybernan

good morning, everyone :)
9:51 am
rururocks

good morning nan
9:52 am
marksdolly

gm Nan!
9:52 am
doseffing

... hello nan
9:52 am
doseffing

... hello nan
9:56 am
Uneaixoise

Hey Nan :-)
9:59 am
cybernan

nice sunny morning here - makes me think spring has arrived - hope that is true for all, such a good feeling
10:01 am
bichon

I'm in the Bay Area for a week. Was really nice over the weekend. Now it's showery
10:02 am
cybernan

showers aren't all bad -- we've had a couple of grass fires in the area - already things are drying out. People who toss out live cigarettes and glass bottles should be locked up and the key thrown away
10:03 am
cybernan

or better still -- pressed into fire fighting service
10:03 am
rururocks

i agree nan.. for smokers the world is their ashtray sometimes
10:03 am
doseffing

... was bright and sunny here yesterday but they forgot to turn the heat on a bit below freezing ... ... today ... it's described as partly cloudy ... but at least it's a bit warmer .... maybe tomorrow
10:07 am
cybernan

is it me or is this difficult? -- don't know where the next 48 words are coming from!
10:11 am
doseffing

... didn't find it particularly difficult ... even got two of the 8's ... but it's always a simple matter of did they put in the words which you recognize easily today and then do you recognize them ... or did they put them all in from right to left and upwards and twisting
10:11 am
marksdolly

might somebody clue the un8 please?
10:11 am
benji5550122

there are only two ge 6/26
10:11 am
benji5550122

6/27
10:12 am
doseffing

un 8 ... to have ones canvas camping shelter stolen
10:12 am
benji5550122

untent
10:12 am
benji5550122

lol
10:12 am
benji5550122

oops
10:12 am
marksdolly

you rock, ty dos!!
10:13 am
marksdolly

I was going in the wrong direction
10:13 am
doseffing

... there's only one ge6/27
10:13 am
benji5550122

there are only two ge 6/27 the other ones are made up
10:13 am
doseffing

ge 6/27 4/6 5/14 5/14 4/6
10:13 am
benji5550122

if you know the word you would get my joke
10:13 am
dan2bit

not if you believe trans folks, doseffing :-)
10:13 am
doseffing

... sorry ... I get it now ...
10:13 am
benji5550122

lol
10:14 am
benji5550122

trans is not a third ge 6/27
10:14 am
dan2bit

correct. but neither is it one of the other two
10:14 am
doseffing

... it all depends upon what you mean by ge6/27 ... physically there are two ... psychologically there are at least four
10:14 am
benji5550122

four? what?
10:15 am
doseffing

ge6/27
10:15 am
benji5550122

no i mean what are the other two?
10:16 am
doseffing

... m ... f .... m-f .... f-m .... bi ... varying ....
10:20 am
rururocks

the varying is for the man bun types ?
10:20 am
doseffing

... the difficulty seems to arise from the difference in timing during gestation of the genetic initiation of the physical gender systems ... and a somewhat earlier flooding of the system with sex hormones ... if a nine weeks you get flooded with testosterone or estrogen but physically at thirteen weeks you physcially become male or female opposite to what the hormones indicated then you can get this "confusion" (?) as to gender and a difference in physcoloogical and physical expressions of gender
10:22 am
dan2bit

and even chromosomally there are more than 2, though the percentage is very low for chimeric or intersex people
10:22 am
benji5550122

doesnt change the reality that there are only two, you can be a boy but be feminine, but you are still a boy
10:23 am
benji5550122

intersex isnt a third one, its a birth defect. Humans have two arms, there are people born with one ore three, that doesnt mean humans dont have a set number of arms.
10:23 am
benji5550122

or
10:24 am
doseffing

... sure it does ... all you have to do is decide on a definition of gender ... if gender is only physical then you're correct ... but if you define it as a state of mind then you have real problems with only "two" genders
10:25 am
dan2bit

hang on tight to your definition of normal, benji. It won't hurt anybody who doesn't fit it
10:25 am
benji5550122

well not really, identifying as something in your mind doesnt change reality
10:25 am
benji5550122

is that sarcasm i hear?
10:26 am
doseffing

... unfortunately ... it does cause problems ... because people start saying boys behave in one way and girls behave in another and if you don't behave in that way there's something wrong with you ...
10:27 am
benji5550122

im not saying you cant believe you are something, there are people who believe they are animals on the inside, its called otherkin, im ok with someone identfying themselves how they want, but when they demand that I call them something that I believe to be biologically incorrect, thats when the problem starts
10:27 am
benji5550122

nobody says that, its just generally men and women are biologically predetermined to behave certtain ways
10:30 am
bonkler

denying another person's reality doesn't change it. people's genders are more complex than wiener/not-wiener. trans folk have been with us throughout history and recognized to one degree or another by different cultures. the Abrahamic faiths have always bred repressive, violent cultures that confine gender roles through force. Medical and sociological evidence doesn't support simplistic binary declarations.
10:30 am
doseffing

.... sorry ... that is not correct ... or not correct enough ... there is too much of a social influence into behavior patterns to say it's biologically predetermined ...
10:31 am
benji5550122

i meant generally
10:32 am
benji5550122

of course humans are smart enough to recognizes instincts and can act against them, but there is a reason that 99.97% of people identify as what gender their genitals match, there is a reason boys and girls inherently act differently.
10:32 am
doseffing

... when I'm a teen I listened to adults saying that girls can't play hockey because they'll get cut and scarred and that shouldn't happen to girls ,,, but no one would say that boys shouldn't be cut and scarred and loses their teeth ...
10:33 am
cybernan

apparently girls still can't play hockey -- at least they can't have a national league
10:33 am
doseffing

... oh well ... must be off ... luck to all who continue
10:34 am
ch1212

May I interject? I have a friend who doesn't feel like his given birth name of Donald, and thinks he should have been named Trevor. He refuses to answer to any name but Trevor. Now, I know his birth name is Donald, but out of courtesy I call him by his preferred name. It's a matter of simple respect. By the same token, I have a friend who has had plastic surgery to look more like the woman she wants to see in the mirror. The truth of course, is that she wasn't born that way. But out of simple courtesy for her choices (and her preference that I not refer to her birth nose) I don't correct her.

If someone prefers to be referred to as he or she or they, I think it's courteous to respect their wishes.
10:34 am
benji5550122

thats wrong, but it does stem from the fact that we are a sexually dimorphic species, where men on average are stronger than women. not always just in general. k bye'
10:35 am
benji5550122

of course if you respect the person, i may disagree but if my friend wanted to be called whatever i would call them that, but random strangers do not get to demand or pass legislation restricting my free speech for the sake of feelings
10:37 am
rururocks

I think it's about equal rights for all people Benji isn't it?
10:38 am
therealblah

"random strangers do not get to demand or pass legislation" Doesn't that pretty much describe the entire Congress? lol
10:38 am
benji5550122

of course, everyone deserves equal rights, but nobody deserves extra rights, like laws that make it illegal to 'misgender' someone
10:38 am
ch1212

Agreed, ruru. In a perfect world, every one would behave respectfully. But alas, some people need legislation to treat others decently.
10:38 am
benji5550122

legislation restricting free speech
10:39 am
benji5550122

A UK journalist is now under police investigation for 'misgendering' someone. thats the problem with laws restricting so called 'hate speech'
10:39 am
rururocks

what do you mean by restricting free speech?
10:40 am
cybernan

I think we were better off when personal preferences remained personal -- as in private. I don't see the need for "coming out", public demonstrations, and parades to celebrated differences --- enough already!
10:40 am
benji5550122

In Canada, the UK, Sweden, and pretty much of the modernized European countries have laws against 'hate speech' including misgendering
10:41 am
bonkler

Generalities are insufficient to the realities of life. Millions of people live in the LGBTQ communities. Here in very liberal minded Canada, it was illegal to be gay 50 years ago. It was an abomination. The parochial religious nonsense trumped the biological reality. Trans people are biologically different, this is supported by an increasing body of medical evidence. Erasing them by pointing at genitals is wrong.

A name isn't a biological trait. Donald or Trevor or XC-95-Blork the name is not who the person is. My given name is Lindsay, as a guy, I've sent my whole life with people being surprised when they first meet me because hat's a girl name. small numbers of people are who they are, regardless of what others see.
10:41 am
benji5550122

that can be true but it is still restricting free speech to arrest someone for not calling someone a pronoun
10:42 am
ch1212

Let's be honest about 'free speech' in the U.S. There are currently hundreds of laws that restrict speech. Here's a snippet from a website that lists the basic nine categories of restricted speech: Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

Obscenity
Fighting words
Defamation (including libel and slander)
Child pornography
Perjury
Blackmail
Incitement to imminent lawless action
True threats
Solicitations to commit crimes

Some experts also would add treason, if committed verbally, to that list. Plagiarism of copyrighted material is also not protected.
10:42 am
rururocks

Nan.. I have to disagree with you there.. that's really old guard and not what the "coming" out is all about
10:42 am
benji5550122

and why mix the LGB with the T? Transgenderism effectively throws out sexuality, if men can be women, and women can be men, then being homosexual or strait or whatever is meaningless
10:43 am
cybernan

I still say Get. A. Room.
10:43 am
benji5550122

ch thats not free speech because that directly calls for immediate action, like fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire, but simply saying something offensive is not illegal
10:44 am
rururocks

because its for rights for a larger group of people, covering all kinds of people
10:44 am
ch1212

One more note: THANK YOU - each of you - for keeping this discussion civil :)
10:44 am
benji5550122

i can say 'i dont like X group, I think X group should die' that is protected, but if say 'I am going to kill X group' that is a call to action
10:44 am
benji5550122

no problem
10:45 am
rururocks

Get a room? come on Nan.. the government loves to intrude in people's bedrooms.. and it's no business what happens there to anyone but the people who are there.
10:45 am
benji5550122

civil discussion is hard to come by these days
10:45 am
benji5550122

i have to go for now
10:46 am
therealblah

thanks ru I was trying to figure out how to say exactly that
10:46 am
cybernan

exactly, so why the need to put what happens in people's bedrooms on display --- you don't see heterosexual parades --- I'm not objecting to the preferences of others, I just don't want it shoved in my face -- I have rights too
10:47 am
cybernan

I don't like the right to lifes fanatics waving signs in my face either --- again it is all in very bad taste
10:49 am
dan2bit

can I have stats for the S? I have si4/5
10:51 am
rururocks

well.. what they are protesting though (Gay people) Nan is the Christian Right's plans to discriminate against them with laws and removing their rights that should be allowed. There is still a long way to go in this country and hopefully the hate will diminish more so in the years ahead.
10:51 am
rururocks

si5 too dan
10:51 am
therealblah

sa 5/12, si 5/22
10:52 am
rururocks

that was a great discussion and i also appreciate that it was respectful. nice job folks
10:53 am
rururocks

got to get to work now
10:53 am
bonkler

you see heterosexual parades every day of the week. happy couples holding hands, kissing, holding hands, arm in arm, the stuff of major advertising campaigns for everything from travel to jewellers, restaurants to movie genres... all of which remain dangerous acts and discouraged places for same sex couples
10:56 am
dan2bit

thanks ruru and therealblah got em
10:56 am
cybernan

advertising will always try to appeal to the largest group of consumers --- you notice that other than the aarp ads the actors are all young too --- something I will never be again - but hardly threatening.
10:56 am
hokie carla

off topic, but I just had to say we are having snow today in NC and it was like 75 on Sat
10:57 am
dan2bit

I have fi4 x 2, fi6 and fi7, what's my missing F?
10:57 am
bonkler

given the discussion, ironic to have ou5 in the grid :)
10:57 am
MollyL

I continue to be confused by all the "gender" stuff going around. I had to ask someone why there was a line in a contact's business email signature that says: Personal Pronouns he/his/him
10:58 am
dan2bit

seems pretty straightforward, Molly. Would have helped my friend Dana a lot in his early career
11:01 am
hokie carla

I find it confusing to have "they" in a convo relating to a single person and not multiple people
11:01 am
MollyL

I realize there are gender-less names. I have just never seen the need to identify personal pronouns in an email signature.
11:03 am
spellit

missing f is fu4
11:03 am
MollyL

Well Hokie, if we are going to be all politically correct, perhaps we need to include the multiple personality people who would be we/they/them. : D
11:04 am
dan2bit

political correctness is just respect and courtesy for others. Isn't it better to know how someone prefers to be addressed than to assume you already know?
11:04 am
MLFAN17

we have snow coming down right now
11:05 am
dan2bit

thanks spellit - got it
11:05 am
hokie carla

looks like ours has stopped or turned to rain
11:06 am
MLFAN17

hokie not sure when ours started but it is coming down
11:06 am
MLFAN17

snow that is
11:06 am
bonkler

thank you dan
11:06 am
bonkler

courtesy and respect aren't a great imposition
11:07 am
cybernan

si 5 please?
11:07 am
MLFAN17

I stand corrected not much snow now but looks like rain
11:08 am
dan2bit

if you already have half a dozen but you want si6 cybernan
11:08 am
MLFAN17

sorry cyber I don't have it either
11:09 am
MLFAN17

does it start with a number
11:09 am
dan2bit

yes, starts with a number
11:09 am
cybernan

lol -- good clue, dan
11:10 am
hokie carla

I am kinda surprised they have not dismissed schools. The roads are just wet but you know how it is in the south.
11:10 am
MLFAN17

got it
11:15 am
cybernan

*!*~*!* thanks for the help :)
11:15 am
dan2bit

yay cybernan!
11:18 am
MLFAN17

halfway
11:19 am
hokie carla

I have had to go to the list
11:19 am
hokie carla

but I did get over halfway first
11:20 am
hokie carla

cu8?
11:21 am
MollyL

Compound...slice + H20
11:22 am
hokie carla

well, that's a weird one, thanks
11:23 am
hokie carla

I still think cutened is a word. Only, that's just 7. :D
11:28 am
bichon

tw 5/20, pls
11:29 am
dan2bit

more than once, bichon
11:29 am
hokie carla

lol, I didn't see that either
11:29 am
hokie carla

face palm and eye roll myself!
11:29 am
bichon

ty dan
11:36 am
dan2bit

un6?
11:37 am
hokie carla

I can't find any of the un's besides the 4
11:38 am
NatashaW

I have an un that means take down your camping site?
11:38 am
ch1212

hokie, there's an odd one that is past tense of removing a canvas shelter, but NOT the word that means present tense of doing that ....
11:38 am
NatashaW

oh but that's the 8
11:40 am
NatashaW

the 6 means very not impressed
11:40 am
hokie carla

found a 5!
11:40 am
ch1212

thanks, natasha.
11:40 am
ch1212

care to share a clue hokie?
11:41 am
hokie carla

found the 6 with the clue, natasha. thx
11:41 am
hokie carla

an un*** mother
11:41 am
ch1212

ah, tx
11:42 am
hokie carla

ok, found the 8. that is a weird one. never heard it actually used in a sentence.
11:43 am
hokie carla

the other 5 is a plural I missed
11:48 am
dan2bit

thanks NatashaW that's firewords! I just found the 4 letter root for that un6 right before it, didn't think to negate it
11:55 am
hokie carla

only 6 to go after first pass through list
11:56 am
hokie carla

will probably have to get clues or look them up :(
12:05 pm
hokie carla

ma7 & 6?
12:10 pm
gemini_J13

those were clued as cloaks earlier I believe
12:15 pm
hokie carla

well, not seeing it so I'm going to have to look them up. down to those 2.
12:15 pm
MollyL

The 7 is french for cloak the six is Italian for woman's loose gown
12:15 pm
NatashaW

the 6 is also a city in Italy... in Lombardy I think
12:28 pm
hokie carla

well, sadly none of those helped me, so I had to look them up, but now I have fireworks! thanks for trying :D
12:35 pm
penquis

can someone please clue the CU 8?
12:39 pm
penquis

nm...channeling peri...
12:40 pm
penquis

i am done....not a bad grid for me...
12:48 pm
hydra

CU8 - what do you do if you swipe a sword into a lake?
12:54 pm
penquis

ty, but i had already found it....i finished....
1:15 pm
MollyL

I sometimes wonder if the chat font was larger if people would notice things like "I am done" that often get overlooked. I'm not fond of small fonts like the one in this chat.
1:17 pm
Chessbobble225

hydra I don't understand
1:18 pm
Chessbobble225

wait don't worry- found it!
1:48 pm
mkg

how about a clue for the U words? ty
1:49 pm
SamanthaJoy

un5 - un*** parents
un6 - not impressed (stick a vowel in the middle of the un5)
1:50 pm
mkg

ty! got the 5
1:51 pm
mkg

got the 6. ty
1:51 pm
SamanthaJoy

un 4/5 - two toed sloth, and pl
1:52 pm
mkg

wow dont know the sloth.
1:52 pm
SamanthaJoy

and un 8 - if someone sneaks into your campsite and night and removes the structure you are sleeping in, you've been un8
1:52 pm
SamanthaJoy

un 4 - sloth is un + two vowels
1:52 pm
mkg

got the 8. ty.
1:53 pm
mkg

got the sloth and u is grey. ty
1:53 pm
SamanthaJoy

'Grats
3:30 pm
Detour

Good morning from a new babbler. See some people found all words... how does that happen? Lol I'm not even close.
3:38 pm
ChampFit

Some have been playing this for many years, and have retained a lot of words. Also, there are "helps" available, from the clues, and morewords or A to Z.
3:49 pm
Detour

Cheers @ChampFit
3:52 pm
ChampFit

:)
4:13 pm
TQ

Hi detour, most of us never finish
4:19 pm
zoozzoom

But we give it a good try! :-)
4:19 pm
ChampFit

Hear! Hear!
4:21 pm
TQ

Oh yes zooz, I try, but I think in all the time I've been playing I've only completed maybe a couple times
4:22 pm
TQ

But a week ago my daughter made me a nanny and that is far more important
4:23 pm
zoozzoom

Yay! Congratulations. You must be so proud!
4:24 pm
TQ

I am, I know I'm biased but he's so beautiful and I'm so proud of my girl
4:27 pm
zoozzoom

That is lovely! And you have every right to be biased :-) Has your daughter chosen a name for the the little fella?
4:29 pm
TQ

Yes, she has called him Daniel, she and her partner are so happy, she deserves it, she escaped a violent marriage
4:30 pm
TQ

But she's in a good place now with a good man
4:32 pm
zoozzoom

Glad she got out of that situation many don't. Daniel is a good name! One of my friends is called Daniel.
4:33 pm
TQ

Thanks zooz, I rarely chat, but I just wanted to say how happy I am for her
4:35 pm
zoozzoom

Anytime, TQ, It is nice to chat to you :-)
4:35 pm
TQ

I know you've got your own problems going on
4:37 pm
TQ

Tablet is almost flat, and time for sleep for me. Goodnight all
4:38 pm
zoozzoom

(( TQ)) you are more than welcome to chat here more often!
4:45 pm
zoozzoom

I love books but never heard of Si 5/22 before.
4:46 pm
ChampFit

Me either. Did you look it up?
4:46 pm
zoozzoom

Yeah lol
4:54 pm
periwinkle

HI all I did not get the clue for the cu8
4:55 pm
ChampFit

Starts the same as the 4/6 before it, and ends with wet stuff
4:56 pm
ChampFit

Sorry...same first 3 as the 4/6
4:57 pm
periwinkle

got it ty
4:59 pm
ChampFit

FW...need any clues?
5:00 pm
zoozzoom

Congratulations, ChampFit!
5:00 pm
ChampFit

TY! last words were fish...overlooked them first go 'round.
5:01 pm
zoozzoom

Not for me but thank you. I am about to go to bed soon.
5:01 pm
ChampFit

Okey dokey. Sleep well!
5:02 pm
zoozzoom

Have a great evening. Happy babbling everyone!
5:22 pm
periwinkle

2nd mo5 pls
5:34 pm
dan2bit

2nd one is a plural of a famous painting subject
5:57 pm
MollyL

Different kind of plural ending : )
5:58 pm
MollyL

Oops, no I was looking at the first one
6:24 pm
NANCY

ma 6 24 if anyone is there please
6:25 pm
marksdolly

it's kinda funky word Nancy... do you have the ma7?
6:26 pm
marksdolly

it starts like that and ends with 2 vowels
6:26 pm
NANCY

yes the 6 is my last word to get
6:26 pm
marksdolly

start out like the 7 add 1 cons and then 2 vowels
6:26 pm
marksdolly

it's funky
6:28 pm
marksdolly

turn those last 2 vowels around from the ma7
6:28 pm
NANCY

got it, yes never saw it before
6:28 pm
marksdolly

a new one to me as well!
6:30 pm
marksdolly

datum
6:30 pm
marksdolly

oops
7:08 pm
rururocks

datum isn't new to me :D
7:09 pm
marksdolly

lol that was an oops
7:09 pm
marksdolly

had been chatting
7:09 pm
Bugsaw

play nicely ruru ;)
7:09 pm
marksdolly

ruru is an Expert, I'm just a novice
7:10 pm
rururocks

gosh bugs.. you always squash my joking around
7:10 pm
marksdolly

hi Bug!
7:12 pm
rururocks

what does bugsaw mean anyway? I never could figure it out
7:14 pm
Bugsaw

Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, huh. You are too funny.
7:15 pm
rururocks

i guess it would if i had a margarine of error to compensate it with :D
7:15 pm
Bugsaw

Hi Mark. I am not supposed to be here so nobody notice. I am supposed to be looking for a new dress to wear to my son's wedding but I am not 6' tall, slim or young. It is so discouraging.
7:16 pm
Bugsaw

ruru loves to play with words mark so if you get him going it never ends. . . it just goes on and on my friend
7:17 pm
rururocks

heck.. i only stick around for the jokes
7:18 pm
Bugsaw

and I can't keep up but some people here are just as skilled and it is fun to watch you guys go back and forth
7:19 pm
rururocks

it's just the way my brain works.. it's like tourettes syndrome of punning
7:20 pm
MollyL

Mother of the Groom dresses are so hard to find. They are either slutty or matronly and there is very little in between. It took me forever to find the right dress for my son's wedding.
7:20 pm
rururocks

what's wrong with Slutty?
7:21 pm
MollyL

I have no problem with slightly slutty in the right circumstances. But not when my role for the day was Mother of The Groom.
7:22 pm
rururocks

can you go to Vancouver Bugs to look? There has to be options there
7:24 pm
MollyL

Mother of The Groom dress can't be too short, I don't do long. You can't show too much cleavage. Then there are the shoes, they can't have too high of a heel, but I like a pretty, strappy shoe. It took forever but I found something that worked for me and looked like me.
7:27 pm
rururocks

i think Bugs would look great in emerald Green or teal/bluegreen colors
7:29 pm
MollyL

I had to go with the colors my girlie-in-law picked, but I did okay in cornflower blue, even though that is not my color of choice.
7:30 pm
rururocks

men don't have to worry about color.. just if it fits
7:32 pm
wht

And for father of the groom and father of the bride, you don't even have to buy something. You can just rent it. And the store will make sure it fits.
7:34 pm
MollyL

I envied all the men in rented tuxes that day.
: D
7:35 pm
MollyL

I will say this, those kids of mine had the nicest ceremony and the most fun reception ever. I loved their special day and had a lot of fun celebrating with them.
7:37 pm
Bugsaw

My kids are being good and not requiring anything in particular but Molly is right about how hard it is to find something that no-one can find offensive. I will be going to Victoria and Nanaimo to shop but Vancouver is too big.
7:42 pm
Bugsaw

I am having fun with this wedding. They are a great couple who are both sensible and committed. She comes with the nicest 8 year old son ever. She is sending me links to dresses I might like and that would look good on me. I like most of them which is another good sign.
7:44 pm
Bugsaw

I asked about the service and they said they weren't sure about that yet. Church is not a part of their lives so they were planning the party and the honeymoon first. I loved it.
7:44 pm
rururocks

that's cute.. i hope it's a great time bugs
7:45 pm
rururocks

we diidn't mention god in our ceremony and i thought a few of my aunts were doing to die on the spot
7:54 pm
Bugsaw

They haven't decided if they will get married in some government office earlier in the day and come to the party allready set or if they will have a JP come to the party and do it in front of us all.
7:57 pm
rururocks

i go for the JP.. it's worth the trouble.. but ultimately it's their decision
8:02 pm
Bugsaw

My thoughts exactly ru but I am not making suggestions. I don't want to be a meddling mother.
8:03 pm
rururocks

yes.. you just get dressed up and be gracious and warm and loving
8:03 pm
rururocks

then you win
8:04 pm
Bugsaw

Everybody wins then
8:05 pm
rururocks

my dogs are pressuring me to feed them.. hope it's a great time.. when's the wedding by the way
8:06 pm
MollyL

The worst weddings are the ones in which parents interfere to inject their own preferences. That is not what it's all about.
8:07 pm
rururocks

mine tried to control the whole thing.. right from the start.. it was awful
8:09 pm
MollyL

I will never understand why parents think that their kids wedding is something they should have some control over.
8:11 pm
Bugsaw

Sorry for the delay. May 11
8:12 pm
Bugsaw

I am with you Molly but I am astonished by the stories that I am hearing about the bride dictating what the parents are too wear right down to the proper accessories. I figure those will be short marriages.
8:21 pm
gapeach

Good evening. May I please have a clue for un8-50? Thanks
8:23 pm
Bugsaw

a past tense word relating to packing up from a camping trip
8:23 pm
Uneaixoise

Not + canvas dwelling + pt
8:26 pm
gapeach

Thanks much, Bugs and Unea.
8:34 pm
gapeach

Oh, gollly...FW finally.
9:56 pm
Uneaixoise

Fw!!
10:24 pm
helenkeller

And our world continues to crumble . . . Tonight, we have our first African-America female mayor (this is great, although a known outcome, as this was a runoff, both candidates black women), also our first openly gay mayor (again, great), wins with close to 75% of the vote (again, great!!!). Why am I so gloomy-doomy? Less than 500,000 votes cast - FOR MAYOR! That's 30% of registered voters. This is the 3rd largest city in the country. Do the apathy math. Hopefully, the Light will shine.
10:57 pm
cookiebaker

if its not you uncle its your ???? un8-50